Feeding our Dogs
Do not free feed. Our dogs need to grow 100 lbs in one year and they need to eat so here is what I do:
I first feed kibbles of a good quality all he can eat. When he leaves the dish with out any distractions, he is done. Remember how much he ate.
Take the bowl away and now add your additives. Add a blender mixture of about 1 tablespoon of this gravy over the kibbles and mix it in. Let him eat.. when he is done, pick the dish up, now...
Add the chopped up meat and mix that into the gravy and pour this over the kibbles. Because some dogs pick the meat out, I will put the meat in the blended gravy and mix it in the kibbles. The gravy is made out of (eggs, Lanitone, vitamins, bone meal, alfalfa, wheat germ, cottage cheese, yogurt or what ever I can find..)
Yes,I want the dog to gorge. It is all right for our dogs to gorge. It is what canines do. They are not human and they do not do things like we do. As he gets older he can stop gorging but as a puppy, puppies gorge and eat all they can till their bellies are popping. Then they sleep.
When he gets up, he will have to go out side and he will poop a lot. about 30 min later, he may poop again. One hour later he may poop again. And he will sleep.
Feed your puppy four times a day when you first get him, then three times a day. continue twice a day for a whole year, then you can go once a day. Once a day, a dog/canine, will gorge the meat. They may pick berries, grapes, rotten apples, grubs, dirt, and water from streams, but when they attack an animal for meat, they gorge then sleep.
They are most active in cool weather and at night. During the heat of the day, they sleep.
Think like a canine, remember he comes from many thousands of years off the Dire Wolves ancestral tree.
So, most of all, I FEED my puppies. I MAKE them eat, then I feed them again...
If you FREE FEED, the dog gets use to having his food anytime he wants, it also makes the dog become less dependent on you
LETTER FROM A FRIEND:
I think I've found the magic dog food formula:
- 1 scoop Royal Canin lg breed pup,
- 1 scoop Red Flannel pup,
- 1 tablespoon canned Natures Recipe lamb/rice/barley.
- Add just enough hot water to make a gravy.
Shasta eats it all!
1 scoop =2 cups. I started with yesterday's breakfast. She was so hungry!
I was putting chopped-fine bits of chicken, meatloaf with her food. I mixed the two dry foods together. Nothing was working until I used the canned food, which I found rolling around in my car from the time Kela stayed at All-Good-Dogs.
I bought a bag of Red Flannel Adult as well, and have been mixing it 1/2-1/2 with Kela's Royal Canine. She loves it, and hasn't missed a meal. Now I have to watch her weight!
The best thing about this is their stool is so much firmer, which tells me things are better internally.
BECAUSE I HAVE TO SAY THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN, I AM PUTTING THIS UP HERE.
PLEASE READ IT AND UNDERSTAND IT
Best to feed kibbles FIRST... as our breed gets over 100 lbs, owners MUST entice the pups to eat MORE.. how to do that is to feed only kibbles first. then when they move away or you think they are done, add some type of gravy , say about a teaspoon and coat as many kibbles with it as possible..
After you think they are done, add some cottage cheese, about a tablespoon.
After you think they are done, then add the chicken and rice ( one table spoon) and coat all the kibbles you can. this will be an on going process until the dog reaches adulthood at about one year.
If you feed only raw, he may have the runs. gage his food by the feces. too hard? add more gravy, .. too soft, add more rice and kibbles.
FACT: All dogs are primarily carnivorous animals.
BITCHES MILK: Milk production is under the control of hormones, one of which is prolactin which is made by the pituitary gland. It begins to be manufactured close to the time of birth. The fat content in mother’s milk in my opinion should be around 12 percent
Our three week old puppies have been given a choice of which foods they would like to eat and it is consistently unanimous that they prefer meat. We purchase frozen ground up beef liver, chicken or goat. We defrost these large bags and divide the meat into five pound portions which are then put in small freezer bags and then put back in our freezer.
Most of the meat we get is saturated in blood which makes this ground up meat great for starting young pups out eating solid foods as it is not too solid
There is no reason to even show these young pups where the food is as their noses just understand. How this happens is a mystery to me. Each day I can see their brains learning, soaking up anything that has to do with that fresh plate of meat. This is when I begin their training even before their eyes are open
To the ground up beef liver, I may add some liquid vitamins or minerals.
FEEDING AND WEANING: Our pups start eating solid foods at around three weeks old. They still nurse and get what they need from the mom and will continue to nurse until the mother dog weans them off her naturally.
LARGE BREEDS OVER 100 POUNDS AT MATURITY
Six weeks: 8-10 lb puppy (3 cups)
MEAT (CHICKEN) (LIVER), COTTAGE CHEESE, EGG, LANITONE VITAMINS..., BREWERS YEAST, ALFALFA
7 am - 1 1/2 cup
11 am - 1/2 cup
3 pm - 1/2 cup
7 pm- 1/4 cup
10 pm - 1/4 cup
Eight weeks: (2 mo) 10-15 lb puppy (4 cups)
ADD RICE AND COLON CLEANSERS OR REVITALIZERS. SMALL AMOUNTS.(useful if the pup has had worms or has worms) DO NOT OVER DO THIS.
7am - 2 cups
12 noon - 1/2 cup
5 pm- 1 cup10 pm- 1/2 cup
Ten Weeks old: 15-20 lb pup (5 cups)
MORE MEATS AND BONES (slightly cooked whole chicken given to entire litter)
7am- 3 cups1 pm- 1 cup
7 pm- 1 cup
10 pm- treat
Twelve Weeks old: (3 mo) 20-30 lbs pup (6 cups)
7am- 4 cup
1 pm- 1 cup
8 pm- 1 cup
Five mo. - twelve Months old:(8 cups) (1/4 whole chicken slightly cooked)
7 am - 4 cups
4 pm - 4 cups
1 hour before bedtime (treat)
Two years and older: (8 cups) (1/4 whole chicken slightly cooked)
7 am - 4 cups
4 pm - 4 cups
MEAT: When meat is used as a ration, it is completely digested and assimilated. The result is a small stool. Most dogs will eat grass and this provides roughage. This roughage removes anything within the intestines that may be blocking or coating it. Sometimes grass may bring out worms as they get caught up in it. Grass eating is a dogs instinctive method of preventing auto intoxication or poisoning
Wild canines do eat fruit such as pears, apples and grapes off vines or that have fallen off the trees.
Liver: is a good feed for dogs as an occasional meal. Liver is a laxative when given to dogs who are not use to it
Beef Heart: Great
Tripe: Excellent for puppies and grown dogs.
Horse meat: A good wholesome flesh.
Lamb or Mutton: Great change from beef
Bones: Do not over cook them. Give as many as they will eat.
Bones of birds: Do not cook.
FEEDING PROGRAM FOR PUPPIES
Here is another Feeding Program that I use when my pups are still on the bitches milk...
litter of 9 THREE weeks old: add these ingredients in a blender: 1/4 can evaporated milk; 1 egg without the shell; 1 tbl. lanitone (vitamins for coat); 1 tsp fish oil; pinch of brewers yeast; pinch of garlic juice; warm in microwave 10 sec.(Feed in the morning once a day until they get use to it) put left overs in refrigerator.
Litter of 9 FOUR weeks old: same as above only increase slightly; 1/2 can evaporated milk with a small amount of hot water; 1/4 can chicken dog food (or you can use chicken baby food); do use some calf liver/blood; (feed twice a day, morning and afternoon/dusk)
Litter of 9 FIVE weeks old: same as above only add more calf liver. start decreasing the milk and substituting hot water
Litter of 9 SIX weeks old: Same as above only add; Rice and dry kibbles; soften the kibbles for about 30 min (do not blend the kibbles in the blender)
Litter of 9 SEVEN weeks old: Same as above only soften kibbles only for 10 min and add more kibbles to the food. You can also start adding stuff like: cottage cheese and real chicken cooked slightly. give raw liver pieces but not too much at first. watch the stools.
Litter of 9 EIGHT weeks old: dry food with the pablum poured over the kibbles, do not soak the kibbles supplement feedings with chicken that has been pressure cooked for 10 - 15 min. give them all the chicken they want AFTER they eat thier food.
Feed two times a day.
Litter of 9 NINE wks old
dry food in the morning first. 1/2 cup
afternoon feeding is 1/2 c. dry food with a mixture of:
liver/chicken/1 egg/brewers yeast/lanitone/fish oil/pinchof alfalfa over kibbles.
dry kibbles at 6 pm (1/4 c.)
depending on the stool increase or decrease the pablum.. if diarrhea, stop wet food and feed dry kibbles only. If the pup will not eat, pour a very small amount of bacon grease over food. dont use milk. increase the cheese and rewards for learning.
Rice and chicken that you boil up yourself is always a good additive... I use all i can mix into the kibbles while keeping the pups stool in mind. keep the extra in the refrigerator. Liver is always a good food to feed, just remember it may make for runny stools as it is rich. use sparingly.
For your Research and Education
Here are a couple of links I think will be helpful.
Eagle Pack's Large & Giant Breed resource Guide
Give a dose of castor oil. This has the effect of removing the irritant from the bowel. The after effect of castor oil is constipation. When available, it is a good plan to follow the oil with several doses of bismuth subgallate or salol - 2 1/2 to 10 grains- every 2 to 4 hours. I have used human baby products such as pedialyte and milk of magnesiumfollowing directions for infants and taking into consideration the size and weight of the animal. Use small dozes at first and increase if the diarrhea doesn't stop. Take to the vet if this continues.
An Email i wrote:
Shawn - EVERYTHING one is, is because of its genes; what was handed to it from its mom and dad and all its ancestors. There is NO SUCH THING AS ... an allergy... it comes from the parents and it can NOT be fixed. Doctors only put band-aids on the problems or cover up the issues.. They can not cure the problems. Even the immune system works to give the entity problems if the immune system is weak in the entity. Here is what they tell us:
skin allergies, ear infections, eye infections, bloat, chewing on feet is an allergy of some kind, loosing hair, anal glad issues, .. and they NEED YOU TO COME IN...
they want to help you and they TRY... but it is all in the breeding. EVERYTHING is in and through the breeding.. sorry... ITS INHERITED.
I am trying to get rid of it all by hybrid vigor, by outcrossing to keep the bonds of the genes strong and not diluted by 100 yrs of breeding into the same gene pool. I seem to have done it. oh, there are some things that pop up every now and then, but for the most part we are a very strong and hardy breed.
With this breed you don't have to WORRY about anything. You don't have to go to the vet !!! im serious. you can feed what ever you want to these dogs, as it should be. With just one dog you should only visit the vet for its puppy shots, then rabies per county regulations (which i disagree with). I believe in Gods nature. His breeding is the best there is and if we stay the course with God at the helm, we should do fine. Trust in the Lord. Those animals that die or are weak, NEED TO BE LET GO... We do not breed to weak animals and we try to use Gods way of breeding. If a small pup is going to be eaten by its mom, then i must GET OUT OF THE WAY... Thank fully, we do not have any of that going on. We have gone past all that. All the sickness and weakness.. At this point we are just staying the course by outcrossing.
I may have gotten into a non pregnancy issue with some of these last oucrosses though and i will work through this... We will not artificially implant or impregnate them. We will spay and rehome them if they do not breed as they should. i believe this comes from the pyr/anitolian. All i can do is pray and ask for his guidance..
Nadine is coming into heat as of yesterday. She is teasing my male. This means that all our females will soon be coming into season and we shall see what happens this time.
We feed a variety of kibbles to all our dogs as well as cooked rice and real meat. a lot of our dog owners feed R.A.W. diets. only what they would get in the wild. the kibbles i feed are: O.N.E. Lamb and rice (2 bags) Purina puppy chow, Red Flanel high protein, Red Flannel Puppy, Kibbles and bits, Sams high protein, and anything else i tend to find on sale.
I then pour the kibbles into large metal trash bins and mix them all together.
Next i get meat out of the freezer, defrost and pressure cook it for 5 min. cut it up into small pieces
Put rice in the liquid and close the lid on it.
Mix the rice and meat. bag them and put them in the freezer. i use one or two bags to mix into the kibbles per day.
I also might add an egg, brewers yeast and alfalfa. I do add any grease we have left over from meals and any scraps we have from our grandkids not eating properly.:-)
I use large paint buckets to mix it all in.
During the winter the adults eat about 6 cups
During the summer the adults eat about 2 cups . they also eat only every other day when it is too hot.
They also gorge . They eat way too much so that the others will not get any food. They do fight some times and i must keep the dishes about 10 feet apart.
hope all that helps.
What ever effects the health of your dog affects reproduction and food is one of the basic sustainers or destroyers of health.
The reproduction vitamin found in carrots, alfalfa, green and yellow veggies, fish liver oils, egg yolk, animal’s livers and fatty deposits. It is always found tied up with fat.
The absence of vitamin A from the diet causes degeneration in the testicles of males. Males will lose the power to produce sperm cells and will become sterile
The female is more resistant to a deficiency. The chief effect is upon the lining of the reproductive organs, and fertility is diminished, possible due to this effect
In some species vit. A deficiency has been shown to give rise to still births, to resorption of fetuses, to production of weak offspring, to failure to conceive and even to infections of the uterus. Long continued deliveries and possibly failure to pass the placenta are also attributed to a deficiency or absence of this essential vitamin
Vitamin B1 (Thiamin chloride)
These vitamins are commonly found in natural grain foods and some in meat. Feeding of raw fish causes a paralysis due to a substance which destroys vitamin B1
Cooking destroys the destroyer before the vitamin, so in this way fish is made safe to use
Lack of this vit in males gives the male a loss of sex interest and inability to copulate
Females deprived of this vit do not develop normally in the sex organs nor do they come in heat. The ovaries degenerate but the principal effect is on the pituitary gland and its secretions which affect the ovarian thiamin function
In pregnant animals the effects of thiamin starvation are similar to vit A starvation: resorption, delivery of still born or weak offspring, difficult birth, retention of placenta, and a delayed shrinking of the uterus
In lactation, thiamin is essential. And from three to five times the usual intake are required or offspring die, and without it milk flow ceases. Appetite diminishes, so milk flow naturally slackens. A lack of the vitamin in milk reacts on the puppies which show lose of appetite and often bend backward and cry
Thiamin is found in abundance in whole cereal grains, meat (especially pork), liver, heart, kidneys, milk, and eggs. It is soluble in water so that cooking leaches it out into the water in which food is cooked and it is destroyed by heat, so the less cooking the better
Most all dog food contains enough of this vitamin.
Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin)
Found in milk, liver, eggs, alfalfa, and commonly distributed in small amounts throughout many foodstuffs, is concerned with fetal development. Veal is one of the richest natural substances and it is reasoned that inadequate supplies to the mother will be reflected in improper development. Cleft palates and harelips
Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine hydrochloride)
Vitamin C (ascorbic acid)
Without it small puppies fail to thrive. The amount found in commercial dog foods is usually sufficient
Because vit D and calcium and phosphorus are so intimately associated with growth it has been suggested that there is some connection between the vit and reproduction. I don't believe that this vit. has too much to do with reproduction, however there is a direct connection between the ability of a bitch to whelp normally and lactate properly in two ways.
If she is rachitic, her pelvis may be so ill formed that she cannot deliver puppies. Secondly lack of the vit will affect the calcium in the milk which may produce early rickets in pups.
A dog manufactures its own vit. D by being in the sun. Most dog foods have more than enough of this vit. so as to not worry to much about it
Vitamin E (Tocopherol)
Fat soluble substance. Found abundant in nature with oily germs of seeds. There is some in the fat of meat.
Rancidity quickly destroys this vit. Sometime breeders feed wheat germ oil and cod liver oil which may be rancid and destroy the e activity. Some feed huge amounts of e thinking it will increase fertility. It is essential in small puppies so it is wise to be sure the diet of the lactating bitch has an adequate amount
Three of the unsaturated fatty acids, Linoleic, Linolenic acid and Arachedonic acid, are often referred to as vit f. Only a minute amount of linoleic acid is required. The absence of this small amount will reproduce dire results: growth slows, skin thickens and hair falls out, starting in the feet and legs and spreading along the sides
The ears become pussy and an obnoxious odor is given off.
Several weeks of deficiency are all that are needed for symptoms to show in puppies, but several months are needed in the case of older dogs. Corn and other vegetable oils, even in small amounts, meet the requirements
After reviewing all of the canine requirements for vitamins, it is possible to feed dogs two substances and furnish an ample amount of all they need
1. Alfalfa leaf meal, made by drying and grinding tender alfalfa
2. A pinch of irradiated yeast